US citizens previously refused entry into UK. Does this refusal of entry mean that we will have problems going back as tourists?
Back in 2011 I was married and traveled to London to stay for a month. At the end of the month my wife and I decided to stay for a couple more months as we had an online marketing business. Being naive we believed that staying for 3 months and working from our laptops would be a great idea.
A great idea until we took a flight to Italy for a 4 day weekend to meet up with our Italian friends. Upon our return to Stansted airport we were in a casual conversation with immigration officer checking our passports when she asked the loaded question; How are you able to stay for 3 months? I naively answered "Because we have an internet based business and can work from anywhere there's an internet connection.
Well we were detained until the next flight back to Milan and then escorted to the terminal. This was in November of 2011 and we've never tried going back to the UK. Basically we were refused entry for not having the proper work visa. Does this denial of entry mean that we will have problems going back as a tourist?
Lots of flights to the EU go through Heathrow and we don't want any problems. We are also not as naive anymore and understand what the term "working" means in any capacity. Do you think we will have problems going for a short holiday or flying through to another destination?
I am from the USA if that wasn't obvious. Nothing on our paperwork says anything about a time duration to stay away. Also the Immigration officer that took our statement said we could try coming back in about a month or so and that if we work we need a work visa. I don't want to fly to London hoping to stay for a week or two only to have my family be denied entry and put back on a plane to the USA. Thoughts?
ANSWER: As received from the a website impersonating the British Embassy http://www.ambassadorpassportandvisa.com/local/british-embassy/california/los-angeles/british-embassy--los-angeles.html
I will need to apply for a Visa: Application is roughly $400.00. I will need to supply 3 months bank statements and 3 months of W2. Once approved the visa is good for one year. After the one year I can go back to using my regular passport. All of this goes without saying that I am still processed through immigration as I exit the plane. Moral: If you work even if its for yourself and you receive money in your US bank you still need a work visa if you're in the UK. Otherwise you are on Holiday and are not working. Lastly, I was advised to not even have a connector flight through any of the UK airports until I have a visa. This was a lifetime advisement.
Adding from comments......
The removal directions were served on an IS82A, "Notice of Refusal of Entry into the UK"
Biometrics were captured
Lots of intervening travel history since the removal
Best Answer
As a US citizen, you do not require a visa to enter the UK for stays of less than six months for tourist purposes. Source is the visa check on the offical UK government website.
On arrival however, you will face a landing interview, and it is likley that your previous removal will be flagged up. This will lead to additional questions regarding your purpose of travel etc. You may be able to reassure the Immigration Officer so that they let you in, or you may be refused entry.
If you wish to avoid taking this chance on arrival, then you can apply for a Standard Visitor Visa, as is in fact suggested by the visa check which says:
You may want to apply for a visa if you have a criminal record or you’ve previously been refused entry into the UK.
This will mean that your case (and liklehood to breach the terms of your entry) have been reviewed before landing. A standard visitor visa costs £85 (not the $400 you quote in your question). The same page as detailing the costs also notes what you can and can't do while visting the UK:
You can:
- take part in any of the business-related activities mentioned in the Visitor Rules
- study for up to 30 days, as long as it’s not the main reason for your visit
- take part in an exchange programme or educational visit (if you’re under 18)
- convert your civil partnership into a marriage
You can’t:
- do paid or unpaid work
- live in the UK for long periods of time through frequent visits
- get public funds
- marry or register a civil partnership, or give notice of marriage or civil partnership
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What happens if you are refused entry to UK?
If you are denied entry into the U.K., you will be held at the airport until you can be returned to the location from which you departed. You are not under arrest and no criminal charges will be filed, you are simply not eligible to enter the U.K. on this visit.Can US citizen be denied entry?
The same is true for lawful permanent residents: you generally cannot be denied entry to the United States, but declining to answer questions may result in delay or further inspection. Refusal by non-citizen visa holders and visitors to answer questions may result in denial of entry.What does refused entry mean?
Definition(s) In the global context, refusal of entry of a person who does not fulfil all the entry conditions laid down in the national legislation of the country for which entry is requested.These Countries will DENY ENTRY at Immigration. Vacation Disasters
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You were removed from the UK, presumably under Section 89 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 and issued an "IS 82A" form. You want to know if you are ok to come and visit.
There are no legal impediments to your visiting the UK for a holiday. You can show up at a border point and present yourself for inspection.
This is confirmed by a screen shot of the Check if you need a UK visa site...
...however note their caveat "...or you've previously been refused entry into the UK..."
So the Immigration Officer has the option of landing you or removing you under Paragraph 320 of the rules depending upon several factors, most importantly your personal impact and articulation skills. In your favour (and massively so) is an enviable history of peripatetic experience since your removal, so don't change passports or do bring previous passports bearing this out.
The only rule working against you is that if you enter the UK from the Common Travel Area, like Dublin, and you get caught, you will be detained as an illegal entrant and matters will be worse. Immeasurably so.
With all of that background, if you were to take your question to a UK practitioner with a practice area in applicants with a prior removal, they would invariably tell you to get an entry clearance. I would guess you have great chances of success.
The advantage of an entry clearance is that it costs USD 119 and it removes all doubt about what happens at the border point. Moreover once you have received an entry clearance you'll have no problems from your removal (a question or two at most), but you do not have to apply for them any more.
To get an entry clearance, open an account at Visa4UK and fill out the form.
NOTE: it's fine to use a courier agent if you're in a hurry, but never, ever rely on them for professional expertise.
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