Why are compartments in western European day trains falling out of fashion? [closed]

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In Europe, railway carriages have had two types of layout: coach-style big room with plenty of seats or compartment cars with a side corridor giving access to small, usually 6-seat or 8-seat compartments. This is for day trains; overnight sleeper services are not covered here.

While eastern countries still have the compartment versions running and refurbished (like in Poland for instance), most western countries are phasing out the compartments in their newer trains.

This is the case in France (old former-intercity coaches now used on regional services only have those) and in Germany for instance (refurbishments of ICE trains are taking away the compartments and replace them by coach-style seating).

Interestingly, some railway companies make a new version of the comparments, but make them a premium product above regular 1st class (like OBB Railjet Business in Austria, Club / Executive in Italian high speed trains) in comparison to something that was available to all classes of travel.

Compared to coach-style seating, I found some amenities in train compartments that made the trips more enjoyable, such as:

  • Light switch. Turning that bright light off, especially during early or late hours, makes it easy to get some rest. It is also practical when leisurely watching a movie on a laptop. In general, I like to travel with dim lights or no lights at all depending on the situation. When travelling at night, it is easier to view the scenery outside as well when the light does not reflect into the window.

  • Long row of seats. When the train is not full, one can raise the armrests and lie flat to sleep.

  • Door separation with the corridor. Reduces overall rolling noise. In addition, it allows to be a little noisy at times (loud talking with friends, phone calls) without disturbing the entire carriage.

Why is this trend going on? Is there something that most travellers dislike with compartments?



Best Answer

In the past most railways in Europe ran carriages that were built to a common design. These standard UIC designs are still quite common in Eastern Europe, but are disappearing everywhere else.

Such a standard UIC compartment car has usually only 66 seats in 2nd class, whereas a open coach has 88 seats. For the operating railways that is big difference, especially in countries where rail is having a bit of a renaissance, and thus passenger numbers are increasing. The new DB IC-4 trains have 100 seats per carriage in 2nd class...

Traditional loco hauled trains, using standard rolling stock, are also going away. Railways are increasingly running trains in fixed consists, and most trains ordered now are multiple unit style trains.




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Why do trains no longer have compartments?

They have less seats per carriage and are more expensive (time consuming) to clean and maintain than open carriages. DB has still tried to reintroduce them a few times on several services, but surveys show that most passengers actually prefer open carriages.

What are the compartments of trains called?

A compartment coach is a railway passenger coach (US: passenger car) divided into separate areas or compartments, with no means of moving between compartments.

Are many compartments in the train?

Every long-distance train has 4-5 General Compartments which are totally inadequate considering the total number of people who are travelling by them. Therefore, there is always heavy overcrowding.

Are trains in Europe safe?

Providing you take all the usual common sense precautions, European rail travel is generally safe, but it pays to be vigilant at major stations, especially at night, and keep an eye out for your bags, stowing away all valuables.



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Answer 2

I think this has to do with:

  • Airplane-style individual seats instead of benches. It is now possible to manufacture a separate comfortable seat for every passenger even in the cheapest class, and compartment can only practically fit benches.
  • Movement towards flexible layouts. Instead of having a car of identical 9 compartments, in modern train car you would expect to see: A special area for passengers with disability, kids area, a meeting room, and several rows of chairs with and without tables. It is possible to have mixed-use compartments but it is harder. BTW, a meeting room is practically a compartment, it's just that you usually need to book it as a whole.
  • Also, a different approach to privacy. Of course, on average the open layout is more noisy, but it beats being stuck in a compartment with a noisy/unsafe neighbour. To avoid complaints it is easier to average out the experience.
  • As an added benefit, modern online booking allows you to choose the precise seat that you are travelling on, so there is more worth to customization and less desire to have all seats equal in all aspects. This compared to the time when you had to stuck your face in a booth to book a ticket and was happy if you got the correct train, not to mention the specific compartment or seat.

Answer 3

First time poster, just one point to add in addition to the other answers, the change between compartments and corridor style rolling stock in the UK was accelerated by the murder of Deborah Linsley, and concerns surrounding the vulnerability of isolated passengers, particularly in stock with compartment access only from the platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Deborah_Linsley

Answer 4

A combination of passenger demand and cost efficiency.

As explained in DavGin's answer already, you can fit more seats and thus more people into a car with an open seat arrangement.

However, that would not have been possible if passengers would not actually prefer that seating. I've travelled a lot by train in Germany where this transition is still ongoing. During the years where most trains (including the IC and ICE trains) had both compartments and open seat areas, the later where always more crowded than the compartments. In fact, for a long time I intentionally booked my seats in compartments and typically had it half full, sometimes the whole thing to myself. Until I once got stuck for several hours with a 7-head family that had booked only 5 seats (small children can sit on your lap, right? until they run around everywhere...) and then I understood why compartments aren't popular.

I also noticed that people in compartments have a considerably higher average age than in the open seating areas. There might be a trend there as well.

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